Hey, so there was progress on the whole SP thing almost as soon as I ended up posting this and I didn't want the thread to start off with me being like "hey we want your input, also here's this thing we worked out just now".
Basically the way we'd like to do it now, and the way it's likely to end up is that the checks take into account db uploads in the replays and mods sections, with each upload representing as x amount of games.

This way, the general rules of the boards kick in, so super low effort replays and things like that are dealt with on a local mod level.
There's minor moderation, it's check-able, it integrates clans with the rest of the forum and is easy. I think it's a reasonably elegant solution, it's just a case of working out how much each upload needs to be "worth" in line with the current criteria.

I'm not gonna do another text wall cos lord knows you've had to read enough lately, so I'll try and pick and choose particular things I think are worth noting/giving my thoughts on.


Not as far as I'm aware. In any case, not something the community (or even I, really) need to worry about. The dev bois have said it'd be fine so I'm assuming it'll be fine.


Hi so that's not the purpose of this thread, but I'm going to take your post as a hint towards a potential issue.
"Can there be some more solid criteria for unofficial clans becoming official?"
I think that's a good point, if there are any unofficial clan dudes out there who agree, let yourselves be known here please.


Noted, we can do something like that.


Also something that was brought up. I didn't include it in this thread because it was part of a wider discussion on something else, but ye. We'd like to do that in the future. texturable item for clans.


Again, just feels like it's punishing older clans for no real reason. I'd far prefer to make new cool stuff that gets people interested in the game again, than set up a place for people to die.


There are a couple of clans that are close, but no one is currently failing. Which is nice (o(


For the replay thing, read above.
The official room would be similar to a public room. But instead of saying public it'd say your clan name, or something along those lines. Coudl be used for recruitment, chilling, Clan League practice. I envisage seeing a few up at a time, an eVo room, an Obey room etc.
Would cost perk points to upkeep to, so it's not a permanent thing, and only for clans who are active and would use it.


Feels ignorant of the core of the problem whereby if a clan is active enough to participate/win an event, then it should be fine in the activity checks. I'd prefer to take the checks to a point where it's reliable in those situations, rather than adding stipulations.
If the check says someone's inactive just after winning clan league, it's indicative of a larger problem that needs addressing, not just putting a bandaid on it and calling it good.


I really don't like the idea of a clan having to categorize themselves and then forcing their activity to go in a certain direction. Again, I'd prefer to just work under a system where all avenues of activity are viable, and any mix of them is good.


Extracting a lil something sir wrote for me when I first joined the team and was asking for all the info.
Members Activity Points =
[i]if[/i] (active members percentage >= 50 [i]or[/i] clan has more than 15 active members) [i]then[/i] 45
[i]else[/i] active members percentage * 0.9

[i]if[/i] (clan has 5 or more active members) [i]then[/i]
[i]if[/i] (members activity points < 25) [i]then[/i] 25
[i]else[/i] number of members active * 5
So yes it does penalise a clan if over 50% is inactive, unless the clan has less than 15 members. And the first 5 members will always receive a passing mark on their own.
The only way a bloated roster would be disadvantaged is if over 50% of it is inactive dead dudes, at which point it probably makes a bit of sense that the clan struggles to maintain activity, right?
It's a small penalty and it can be overcome, particularly as we add new ways to gain points.


Not all of the perks are gonna be ground breaking, the meh ones are cool for unofficial dudes too. If we add a lot, and are a bit cerative with it then there should be a decent mix.


Ladies and gentlemen, Ele approves of something.


Similar response as I gave to Ele, but I get it man.
All I can think of is having some arbitrary limit of amount of people you can have in an inactive rank. But it's just not practical.
It just doesn't work with the direction the system is going unfortunately, it doesn't not make sense tho. (if that makes sense)


Talked about this on discord. Way into rewarding clans taking the initiative to make clan videos, clan renders of themselves and everything. Same with the anniversary stuff, although iirc clan achievements already do that? I would be surprised if those didn't award perk points or something. I will double check.


I like that too. Will pass it on to sir/Dranix.


This one particularly intrigues. sir is taking a look at the current ranking system, so it wouldn't be a bad time to look at some clan integration there.


It was kind of addressed in the s&i thread and I've addressed it below (o(


Owned.

Most of your post just talks about making the checks harsher in a lot of areas. The criteria will inevitably be tweaked over time, but for now I'd prefer to keep it a little easy, than a little difficult given overall game activity and that we want to give clans a chance to repair and rebuild.
I agree with one small point, that 5 games to be counted as active is a bit... whatever.
5 games doesn't mean you're particularly active. (most people tend to play far more, if they play at all) I would like to introduce the ability to gain more points if you play more, in some way, without hurting older clans that don't play the game as much. Still looking at a way to do that, but I think it's especially important given how replays and mods are being counted.

Ok so the discord issue. Here's where I stand on it.
Discord is a 3rd part software, and it's currently the best one to use however there's no guarantee it'll stay the best. It used to be mumble, or teamspeak, hell, even steam had a crack at it (it just sucked ass). I'm very wary of looking at 3rd part applications as a measure of activity, because clan discords a) often have a lot of non-clan people chatting e.g. I'm in the T discord and me a sucy talk there a lot, bish's gf talks there, it sways the accuracy a lot and b) aren't in any way compulsory or a thing that's needed.
I'm not an idiot, I know most people nowadays use discord and there's an argument that it somewhat replaces forums (I know cos i've made teh argument before) but I would far prefer a system that's just aware of discord without measuring it.
In addition, discords develop over time into their own communities that are often no longer toribash clan communities. My job is to cultivate community on toribash, not discord.
It seems far more appropriate to adapt the current criteria, and the systems we do have to just be aware the clans use discord for most short term communication. It's not a total forum replacement, but I get it.
I've not really seen any arguments that convince me that that isn't the direction to go with this one. Stick to what we can measure and quantify, but just be aware that discord exists. Current criteria does that pretty well, most (if not all clans) get a solid number of points from posts. A significant number of clans are blowing the 200 posts mark out of the water, so yeah. That's where I stand on discord checks.

Hope that kinda helps?
I know not all of it is going in the direction that a few of you want but I hope you can appreciate my reasoning and thought process, and there have already been some really good ideas coming from this thread.

So people know what the plan is for CS:
We're not currently recruiting, I want to solidify what we currently have.
While this thread is garnering responses and gestating, we're going to take a look at the stickies here, and try and clean them up a bit, make them a bit more consolidated, and include things about the new systems in place.
I'll be contacting lmods of the replays and mods boards to let them know of the changes with SP stuff.
I'll also push through any official clan applications that have been sitting there while I transitioned in!
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shit it turned into another text wall, im sorry